Phonological and Orthographical Issues Continued

[Miatato]

The proposed phonology seems to stand at:
/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>
/f v ʃ ʒ s z l m n ŋ p t k b d g/ <f v x j s z l m n ng p t k b d g>
With the most recent proposals being "<ng> for /N/, <ngg> for /Ng/, and <n'g> for /ng/" and "<ts> for /ts/, <dz> for /dz/, <tx> for /tS/, and <dj> for /dZ/."

Apparently we don't like initial /ŋ/. There was still some interest being expressed in some sort of rhotic as well.

Where to from here?

[Uh-Oh]

I suggest we take this as our Phonology version 1. We use it going forward until and unless something else comes into play. Maybe it will be too hard for folks not to use a rhotic, and they'll start sneaking them into the lexicon, at which time we'll have the opportunity to go to version 2.

[kadani]

Or version 1.0 patchlevel 1

[Uh-Oh]

Regarding the length of vowels (from another thread):

I'm disinclined to have phonemic vowel length. It seems too subtle a distinction, to hear the difference between "kuloo" and "kulo", or "na" and "naa". Other thoughts?

[kadani]

I am surprised by that given pairs like "pit" and "Pete" or "bit" and "beet". It seems to me a common English feature and neither the Ukistanis and Usistanis nor those in my various English classes had a problem with this, which is why I think it is a neat distinction and allows us to have words which are not as long. *shrugs*

[Uh-Oh]

[kadani]

I am very bad at determining the quality of vowels. I see things as variants when they aren't and as different when they are represented alike in X-SAMPA (the /i:/ in league and that in Liga are IMHO different).

[PeteBleackley]

What about non-phomemic vowel length? My trimoraic morphology suggestion will produce long vowels as the surface realisation of a VV sequence, but it's possible to infix a consonant between the two vowels. For example, we might have maasu [ma:su], one of whose cases has the form mahasu [mahasu]

[alavda-isere]

Bypassing the length distinction discussion for a moment, could I get some clarification on which consonants we want to be allowed as codas? I remember some discussion on the old forum about this, but can't remember seeing a list. For my part, I'm fine with anything being a coda, except maybe affricates (no real reason, just personal preference).

[Miatato]

I am not sure where we are on the allowed/disallowed codas.