I was thinking about starting a thread for this; I think it's important we clarify derivation lest we create dissimilar words which could be derived from another

I also found another case:
bobaba: beat;
dzebobaba: rhythm. I think
dze- must be some way to derive nouns from verbs?
I suggest that maybe, if we do this in the word creation thread, maybe we can explain where we are coming from; it might seem clear to you when you're putting it together, but it can (obviously) be opaque to others!