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Kenakoliku • View topic - Calligraphy
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Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:33 am
by Matthew Turnbull
OK, this is a bit of a radical suggestion, but I think what we should do with the orthography is the following.

**the voicing of the consonant is indicated by the "vowel"**

so with the current phonology of
p b t d k g there are seven voiced pairs and we could throw n and l and m and ng together. So we would have
f v s z x j nine consonant letters and 5*2 = ten vowel letters. We could throw in two cancellation vowels for indicating
m n ng voice on final consonants, or we could do synharmonic deletion, which would keep us with only 19 letters.
tx dj we would need an empty consonant for initial vowels and vowels by themselves.
l
so if we represent these with normal vowels i e a o u and "voiced" vowels í é á ó ú.
We might romanize this like so [baloʒ] - pánójó

To avoid the weirdness of the romanization I'm going to tentatively assign values to the letter forms from David.

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Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:02 am
by Dedalvs
Wow. That certainly is a wild idea! I think it can work (with synharmony, there wouldn't be a way to do that automatically; those using the font would simply have to remember to do it--and we'd also need a synharmonic cancellation mark), but it might be too user-unfriendly. Even if we don't use that idea, though, hang onto it! An idea that wild deserves to be implemented somewhere.

(Oh, and note: I believe the romanized form of [baloʒ] should be pánóxó, no?)

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:57 am
by Matthew Turnbull

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:18 am
by kadani
I see a big issue with this. Can we please use very different symbols for t/d and p/b? If we use 2 in the chart, please not the mirrored one. I am a bit lysdexic when it comes to mirrored characters. :oops: I recommend the use of 31 for p/b. Also, I would prefer if we used 19 for n/l. Otherwise the characters are foo alike for my taste.

We could make all consonants dot free and use the dotted versions as the versions with cancellation marks... but I am going to be killed for that idea, I guess. :D

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:50 pm
by Dedalvs

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:23 pm
by Matthew Turnbull
I have no problem with using different characters than the ones I proposed, I just picked them quickly, to demonstrate the system.

I like the dotted consonant being the vowel-cancelled version, and generally think we could make the cancelled version be shift+key.

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:00 am
by kadani
So:

Form: satal
Orthographic: satala
Typed: s+a+t+a+l+a

Form: satala
Orthographic: satala
Typed: s+a+t+a+l+A

You mean like this? :shock:

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:13 pm
by Matthew Turnbull

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:09 pm
by Matthew Turnbull
David, did you say you had made a font for the curvy script, or did you say you would make a font? If you did could you put it up online somewhere?

Re: Calligraphy

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:15 pm
by Dedalvs